Marvin Shilmer

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  best ex JW sites

  by cobweb in

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  i used to visit this site about ten years ago.

  i haven't come her in a long time.

  i have just recently started talking to a family member who is leaving the jws and i wanted to know what are the best sites available these days for finding out all the topics of information - failed prophecy, 1975, rutherford's drinking, russells tombstone - you know all of that kind of stuff.. back in the day there used to be a site run by a norwegian i think called kent.

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  I recommend jwfacts
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  Shocking development from Australian Royal Commission

  by Esse quam videri in

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  2. beliefs

  it is reported that elder kevin bowditch was so upset at the grilling he received at the arc that he has traveled to austin, texas to prepare for any future encounters with angus stewart.. we see from various stages of the interrogation his increasing anguish.

  he is reported as saying in private, '.. that's never going to happen again.

  i think i was hung up and left out to dry by the governing body.

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  Mr. Kevin better watch out. Them there womens in Texass are known to be pretty quick on that there draw.
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  Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  this question is known to be posed by jws to other jws as an acid test of loyalty.

  i'm not the first to notice what i'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today i felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that governing body member geoffrey jackson supplies as a response.

  a person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "yes!

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  This question is known to be posed by JWs to other JWs as an acid test of loyalty.

  I'm not the first to notice what I'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today I felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson supplies as a response.

  A person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "Yes!" now can say something completely deflating and with the authority of a sitting Governing Body member.

  My article is titled Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?
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  I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

  we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

  but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

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  And it won’t matter how many facts you put in front of me because facts won’t change my mind.

  Not too long ago someone very near and dear to me (currently a very active JW elder) said that and one other thing to me. The other thing he said was that there were some things he didn't want to know about, namely anything negative about the organization.

  My response was simple and straightforward. I told him that he an I were apparently different when it came to fact finding and learning about things both good and bad. In my case, whatever is out there to know I want to learn about, and if whatever I learn turns out to be factual then my sense of morality and ethics demanded that I let that new piece of information influence me, whether a lot or little depending on the nature of the information. I then told him that my take on what he said is that he prefers to make himself intentionally ignorant based on preferential ideas, and that to me was being dishonest with oneself. He wanted to say a prayer for me. I said I'd like to say a prayer for both of us. He declined.

  You can't help a person who wants to stay in a shell of ignorance, or who refuses to let factual information influence their life.
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  The GB accepts questions about doctrine!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i'm watching the interview with g-jack and he says that if a question comes up about doctrine, the gb have a meeting.

  so my question is this, who questions anything and how do they submit a question?

  he seems to painting some kind of "democracy" picture for the rc.. he also said that the 7 gb members can't possible know everything about doctrine...wtf???

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  The GB accepts questions about its doctrine. Problem is, when details inquired of about those doctrines carry profound ramifications the response from the GB is to say "we have not dealt with all the details".

  The rot inside Watchtower is so deep it's way, way beyond repair.
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  ONE pedophile and TWO victims per Congregation

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  "sadly, though, most [pedophiles] go unpunished by authorities today.

  in australia, for example, it has been estimated that only 10 percent of offenders are prosecuted, and few are convicted.

  other lands have had a similar record.

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  The shallow discourse of WT and others like them is being overshadowed by public demand now.

  I see the public demand happening in Australia over what Watchtower has done with reports of child molestation. My hope is that the same scrutiny occurs in other societies, communities and nations.
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  The sheer lunacy of Jackson's view regarding mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lunacy?

  insanity?

  without a doubt.

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  Watchtower's failure to have elders encourage victims (or their guardians) to report their victimization to trained secular authorities as a matter of policy has never made any sense to me. That they fail in this no-brainer says plenty about where Watchtower's priorities lay.

  As for elders reporting, Watchtower's failure to have elders report this as a matter of policy it is absurd for reasons given. If doing this is contrary to some supposed scriptural principle then doing it would be wrong no matter what the law demanded. But when local law requires it Watchtower policy does have elders report these allegations. So there is not supposed scriptural principle at work suggesting the act of elders reporting is somehow wrong. I listened to Jackson, and others before him, talk about family headship this and family headship that, as though family headship presented some supposed biblical principle making it wrong for elders to report child molestation to authorities. But I never heard one articulate why this was the case. Just lots of scripture talk without ever one time articulating precisely what it is about family headship that prohibits elders from reporting.
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  Is bcg an active witness what is her status

  by poopie in

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  status anyone..

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  Marvin Shilmer

  According to BCG's statement she left the religion in or around 1998-9 because she was tired of the hypocrisy. Understandable.
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  RC news

  by Larrikin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nsw/senior-jehovahs-witness-geoffrey-jackson-says-church-might-offer-compensation-to-alleged-abuse-victims-20150814-giyxuu.html

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  That is one scathing article, and true as the blue sky.
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  Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!

  by LostinJapan in

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  https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

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  WOW!!! A GB member (Jackson) just said it might be possible for JW women to be part of a judicial determination of guilt or innocence in relation to allegation of child molestation.